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Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 740 Location: Within ALL THAT IS
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: DAVID ICKE
paganus wrote:
Does anyone here still support David Icke?
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G'day Paganus.
I always have and I always will support David Icke expressing himself.
Of course, this doesn't mean that I agree with his ickeology, ooooops, ideology. It does mean that I would defend him expressing himself.
Further, there has always been way too many contradictions with what DI expresses for me to promote him as someone that is an example of unconditional love. So, while I would support DI in expressing himself, I choose to express differently than what he does because I do not believe a lot of what he expresses to be true.
Added to that the fact that what you give out you get back, and you can see that DI obviously is not giving out unconditional love. This can be observed with his physicality. Love heals, so if DI was giving out unconditional love then he would be healing, not degenerating like he is.
THANK YOU
With LOVE
WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS,
YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
What is TRUTH ? . . . .THAT THE ONENESS IS ALL !!! What is JOY ? . . . . . .ALL THAT THE ONENESS IS !!! What is LOVE ? . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT IS ALL !!! What is LIFE ? . . . . . ALL THAT IS THE ONENESS !!! WHO AM I ? . . . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT ALL IS !!!
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: DAVID ICKE
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
paganus wrote:
Does anyone here still support David Icke?
I LOVE YOU
G'day Paganus.
I always have and I always will support David Icke expressing himself.
Of course, this doesn't mean that I agree with his ickeology, ooooops, ideology. It does mean that I would defend him expressing himself.
Further, there has always been way too many contradictions with what DI expresses for me to promote him as someone that is an example of unconditional love. So, while I would support DI in expressing himself, I choose to express differently than what he does because I do not believe a lot of what he expresses to be true.
Added to that the fact that what you give out you get back, and you can see that DI obviously is not giving out unconditional love. This can be observed with his physicality. Love heals, so if DI was giving out unconditional love then he would be healing, not degenerating like he is.
THANK YOU
With LOVE
WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS,
YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
What is TRUTH ? . . . .THAT THE ONENESS IS ALL !!! What is JOY ? . . . . . .ALL THAT THE ONENESS IS !!! What is LOVE ? . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT IS ALL !!! What is LIFE ? . . . . . ALL THAT IS THE ONENESS !!! WHO AM I ? . . . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT ALL IS !!!
What do you disagree with him over specifically IAAIA? What specific things has he wrote that you disagree with?
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 740 Location: Within ALL THAT IS
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: DAVID ICKE
Optimus pigpot wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
paganus wrote:
Does anyone here still support David Icke?
I LOVE YOU
G'day Paganus.
I always have and I always will support David Icke expressing himself.
Of course, this doesn't mean that I agree with his ickeology, ooooops, ideology. It does mean that I would defend him expressing himself.
Further, there has always been way too many contradictions with what DI expresses for me to promote him as someone that is an example of unconditional love. So, while I would support DI in expressing himself, I choose to express differently than what he does because I do not believe a lot of what he expresses to be true.
Added to that the fact that what you give out you get back, and you can see that DI obviously is not giving out unconditional love. This can be observed with his physicality. Love heals, so if DI was giving out unconditional love then he would be healing, not degenerating like he is.
THANK YOU
With LOVE
WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS,
YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
What is TRUTH ? . . . .THAT THE ONENESS IS ALL !!! What is JOY ? . . . . . .ALL THAT THE ONENESS IS !!! What is LOVE ? . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT IS ALL !!! What is LIFE ? . . . . . ALL THAT IS THE ONENESS !!! WHO AM I ? . . . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT ALL IS !!!
What do you disagree with him over specifically IAAIA? What specific things has he wrote that you disagree with?
Cheers, Optimus pigpot.
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G'day Optimus Pigpot.
One of the easiest points to show you were I disagree with what DI says is the 'meatsuit'. I believe the physical body is a tool, as is the mind, for me to experience Who I Am, and as the soul itself is infinite, so is both the mind and body. There is no need to 'ascend' to some other realm and leave the body behind. The soul has chosen to utilise both mind and body for a specific purpose, that is, experiencing itself moment to moment. They are our vehicle for us to experience Who We Are, Infinity, and therefore, they are made to last infinitely.
I could go on further with this, but it is one point that I totally disagree with DI about. There are other points, but I prefer to discuss those points that we do agree upon so that we can come together creatively to change the system of control that is in place at the moment (which will fall apart as we all wake up to our true potential and realise Who We Are).
THANK YOU
With LOVE
WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS,
YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
What is TRUTH ? . . . .THAT THE ONENESS IS ALL !!! What is JOY ? . . . . . .ALL THAT THE ONENESS IS !!! What is LOVE ? . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT IS ALL !!! What is LIFE ? . . . . . ALL THAT IS THE ONENESS !!! WHO AM I ? . . . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT ALL IS !!!
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: The problem we encounter IAAIA is........
....... you have not stated the particular elements that you disagreed with DI. The issues that we agree upon are irrelevant as we agree upon them and that is good but the problem we now find is that are disgareeing over thnigs that need to be PROVEN correct or incorrect. NOT to be believed in. Belief is a sytem that betrays us. I would like you to tell me though what it is SPECIFICALLY you disagree with the DI forum.
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 740 Location: Within ALL THAT IS
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: Re: The problem we encounter IAAIA is........
Optimus pigpot wrote:
....... you have not stated the particular elements that you disagreed with DI. The issues that we agree upon are irrelevant as we agree upon them and that is good but the problem we now find is that are disgareeing over thnigs that need to be PROVEN correct or incorrect. NOT to be believed in. Belief is a sytem that betrays us. I would like you to tell me though what it is SPECIFICALLY you disagree with the DI forum.
Cheers, Op.
I LOVE YOU
G'day Optimus Pigpot..
So I am totally clear on this ... do you mean what I disagree with DI about, the DI forum, or both ???
THANK YOU
With LOVE
WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS,
YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
What is TRUTH ? . . . .THAT THE ONENESS IS ALL !!! What is JOY ? . . . . . .ALL THAT THE ONENESS IS !!! What is LOVE ? . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT IS ALL !!! What is LIFE ? . . . . . ALL THAT IS THE ONENESS !!! WHO AM I ? . . . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT ALL IS !!!
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: Re: The problem we encounter IAAIA is........
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
Optimus pigpot wrote:
....... you have not stated the particular elements that you disagreed with DI. The issues that we agree upon are irrelevant as we agree upon them and that is good but the problem we now find is that are disgareeing over thnigs that need to be PROVEN correct or incorrect. NOT to be believed in. Belief is a sytem that betrays us. I would like you to tell me though what it is SPECIFICALLY you disagree with the DI forum.
Cheers, Op.
I LOVE YOU
G'day Optimus Pigpot..
So I am totally clear on this ... do you mean what I disagree with DI about, the DI forum, or both ???
THANK YOU
With LOVE
WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS,
YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
What is TRUTH ? . . . .THAT THE ONENESS IS ALL !!! What is JOY ? . . . . . .ALL THAT THE ONENESS IS !!! What is LOVE ? . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT IS ALL !!! What is LIFE ? . . . . . ALL THAT IS THE ONENESS !!! WHO AM I ? . . . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT ALL IS !!!
I mean both, what do you disagree with in each way, every way???
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 740 Location: Within ALL THAT IS
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: The problem we encounter IAAIA is........
Optimus pigpot wrote:
I mean both, what do you disagree with in each way, every way???
Much peace to you, IAAIA.
Op.
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G'day Optimus Pigpot..
Thanks for clarifying that for me.
Well, to start with, I don't actually disagree with DI or the forum. Similar to the bible, which I also do not disagree with, I merely observe what DI and the forum are representing, or re-presenting, and similar to the bible, both DI and the forum are full of contradictions.
DI claims to understand that he creates his own reality. He then goes on to 'whinge' about what it is that he is experiencing. For a prime example of this, read the newsletter from DI that I responded to on 'The Pyramid Of Power' thread which I've embedded below.
The use of words is creative, as with thoughts and actions, and the words that DI uses is the basis for his thoughts and actions, and what is creating his reality for him. When you listen to the words that he is using in his videos presentations, when you understand what those words are creating, you can observe why DI is where he is at and realise that the message that he is giving is not going to help to remove you from the influence of The Hierarchy Enslaving You. In fact, it is going to maintain their influence upon you if you allow it.
The statement, "Infinite Love is all there is, everything else is an illusion", is itself a contradiction. For instance, Infinite Love being "all there is" would negate the possibility of there being "everything else", because there is nothing else other than "all there is". Using this statement is akin to saying that God is all there is except for the Devil.
Here is a few things from DI's website that gives an insight to where he is at .....
"IF YOU SUPPORT WHAT DAVID ICKE IS TRYING TO DO, VIRTUALLY ALONE, AND YOU WANT HIS BOOKS AND WORK TO CONTINUE, THEN PLEASE READ THIS"
For starters, using the word "TRYING" means that DI will only be able to try, he won't be doing.
This is also the classic 'poor me' control drama used to gain sympathy/energy/money. You can use the link in my signature to get information about the four control dramas if you do not know about them. The thread is called, "CONTROL DRAMAS - A Competition For Energy !!!".
"This is real serious and David's work is in imminent danger of ceasing without your help. Donate system now working."
Notice the fear of loss sales tactic used here. DI is using fear to gain a greater income.This is a tactic that The Hierarchy Enslaving You uses. Fear is definitely not representational of unconditional love, and yet it IS what DI uses to further his finances.
"THE FREEDOM FOUNDATION
FUNDING THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF THE SYSTEM
This is the educational foundation that allows American taxpayers to donate to David Icke's work and have it deducted from their tax bill.
Here is the chance to reduce the amount you pay to government to fund control and war and instead support someone working full-time for up to 12 hours a day to expose those behind the global conspiracy to enslave us all."
Here is the attempt to get people to donate by saying that they can get a tax break by doing so.
Why not tell them the truth that they do not need to pay tax at all in America ???
Check out, 'America - freedom to fascism' by Aaron Russo for more information about that.
Let's move onto the forum before we get inundated with all of the contradictions from the home page alone.
This thread what I think about the forum and the fact that Di allows The Pyramid Of Power used by The Hierarchy Enslaving You to be the basis of the structure of the forum on his website.
All this without having touched upon the reptilian factor, Credo Mutwa, the Brandon Corey video, the false prophecies of cataclismic events happening around the world, his inability to heal himself and his physical disintegration, etc, etc..
Now, I could keep going here by having a look at the books and video presentations of DI's that I have, quoting passages from the books and things he says in the videos and pulling them apart, but I reckon that you are smart enough to realise how the above pattern is perpetrated throughout DI's material. Considering that we are all one, and what you do in one thing you do in all things, it is easy to observe the patterns that DI does in all things.
So, by observation, I agree that this is what DI represents himself as, and as there is no alignment with unconditional love in it, Di is not someone that I would promote as an example of unconditional love.
THANK YOU
With LOVE
WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS,
YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
What is TRUTH ? . . . .THAT THE ONENESS IS ALL !!! What is JOY ? . . . . . .ALL THAT THE ONENESS IS !!! What is LOVE ? . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT IS ALL !!! What is LIFE ? . . . . . ALL THAT IS THE ONENESS !!! WHO AM I ? . . . . . . .THE ONENESS THAT ALL IS !!!
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